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    Quote Originally Posted by Wcal observer View Post
    Smithville plays at Medina Highland and Chippewa goes to Huron
    Orrville has had both of these paths before. Both great stadiums to play. Good luck to the only two left. Keep it going!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juicebox View Post
    Yah...it's the refs!



    seriously, it's not the refs and UrNotADork.....UrAHomer.
    Take it how it was meant ... I know the Chipps have had their issues but cmon there are bad bad calls all the way through out the league ... Hillsdale v Smithville?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wcal observer View Post
    Smithville plays at Medina Highland and Chippewa goes to Huron
    Highland has a beautiful new multi million dollar stadium. Thinking of attending. Go Smithies regardless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wcalfan View Post
    It is puzzling and I wish I knew that answer completely...but I will say this...in football especially, you can't just rely on 1 class...there has to be support and I am not sure we have had that luxury...again not knocking kids just stating facts.
    You are a funny man, not knocking the kids? It's always the jimmy & joes and not ONCE have you ever said it's the X's & O's, like I heard it was up at Swanton. For Gods sake man just say it once! Something like 15-19 seniors, 5-7 underclassmen started or played more then a handful of plays, what luxury are you looking for? 4 seniors, 4 juniors, 3 soph?? League top talent at QB,RB,WR, huge line with all-ohio type kids and you can't win, dude if you can't win with that at the high school level, its time to look for something else to do with your time after school. JUST An OPINION!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alum01 View Post
    You are a funny man, not knocking the kids? It's always the jimmy & joes and not ONCE have you ever said it's the X's & O's, like I heard it was up at Swanton. For Gods sake man just say it once! Something like 15-19 seniors, 5-7 underclassmen started or played more then a handful of plays, what luxury are you looking for? 4 seniors, 4 juniors, 3 soph?? League top talent at QB,RB,WR, huge line with all-ohio type kids and you can't win, dude if you can't win with that at the high school level, its time to look for something else to do with your time after school. JUST An OPINION!
    TOO EASY!
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    Quote Originally Posted by wcalfan View Post
    TOO EASY!
    Why did you delete your post? Don't worry i got a pic of it. It was one of the most assnine posts you have posted yet. Alwats bashing your kids. X's & O's man, and yes we have a very good coach over here who showed this program how to win and buy in. Work on that Hero.

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    Neither any team of players nor any coach is perfect. Sometimes, the win or loss is the result of the coaching. Others, it's the players' execution. I'd be willing to guess that, at least most of the time, it's a combination of the two, to whatever varying degrees.

    By the numbers, here is the sum total of Waynedale's last decade of football:

    Average record over the last 10 years:

    1. Norwayne's is 7.7 - 2.3.
    2. Hillsdale's is 6.9 - 3.1.
    3. Northwestern's is 6.0 - 4.0.
    4. Waynedale's is 5.6 - 4.4.
    5. Smithville's is 5.1 - 4.9.
    6. Dalton's is 4.7 - 5.3.
    7. Chippewa's is 3.6 - 6.4.
    8. Rittman's is 1.8 - 8.2.

    They're fourth on the list. That's hardly miserable.

    During the same period of time:

    Winning Seasons: 7

    Playoff Appearance: 4

    Wins by Season: 8 (2), 7 (3), 6 (2), 5 (1), 2 (1), 0 (1)

    All in all, those aren't bad numbers. Compared to many, they're great numbers.

    And yes, I understand that some might be arguing that these numbers don't reflect the teams' potential over the years. However, "potential" is a difficult thing to pin down, because it is rarely based on hard evidence. "What might have been" rarely is. Instead, what we have to actually use are facts, such as those listed above. And Waynedale, by the numbers, is not in bad shape over the last decade. It seems as though they've done pretty darn well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedRider1 View Post
    Highland has a beautiful new multi million dollar stadium. Thinking of attending. Go Smithies regardless.
    No longer around, I still appreciate the area support.

    Once playoff time rolls around, that's when you cheer for those who represent you. If they're in your league, they represent the level of play that takes place in your league. If they're from your area, they represent the level of play that takes place in your area.

    Reminds me of Norwayne's 2011 championship. There were a lot of us from the area that met before that game to tailgate and cheer on Norwayne. The Falcons faithful even brought the bell to ring for the Bobcats.

    These kinds of comments remind me of why I'm proud of where I grew up. Though I no longer live in a place that resembles Wayne County in any way, I admit that I say it with pride when people here in Akron ask where I'm from.
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    Quote Originally Posted by O-Trap View Post
    Neither any team of players nor any coach is perfect. Sometimes, the win or loss is the result of the coaching. Others, it's the players' execution. I'd be willing to guess that, at least most of the time, it's a combination of the two, to whatever varying degrees.

    By the numbers, here is the sum total of Waynedale's last decade of football:

    Average record over the last 10 years:

    1. Norwayne's is 7.7 - 2.3.
    2. Hillsdale's is 6.9 - 3.1.
    3. Northwestern's is 6.0 - 4.0.
    4. Waynedale's is 5.6 - 4.4.
    5. Smithville's is 5.1 - 4.9.
    6. Dalton's is 4.7 - 5.3.
    7. Chippewa's is 3.6 - 6.4.
    8. Rittman's is 1.8 - 8.2.

    They're fourth on the list. That's hardly miserable.

    During the same period of time:

    Winning Seasons: 7

    Playoff Appearance: 4

    Wins by Season: 8 (2), 7 (3), 6 (2), 5 (1), 2 (1), 0 (1)

    All in all, those aren't bad numbers. Compared to many, they're great numbers.

    And yes, I understand that some might be arguing that these numbers don't reflect the teams' potential over the years. However, "potential" is a difficult thing to pin down, because it is rarely based on hard evidence. "What might have been" rarely is. Instead, what we have to actually use are facts, such as those listed above. And Waynedale, by the numbers, is not in bad shape over the last decade. It seems as though they've done pretty darn well.
    Something that's not been recognized this year, and needs to be done even more so based on the numbers above, is the great job Rittman did this year! I know 5-5 doesn't mean a whole lot to most, but when you consider 1-2 wins a year over the past decade, it's a major step forward. In addition they had to overcome the nonsense that the Dennis era brought. Congrats to the staff and players! Keep building for the future!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wcal observer View Post
    Something that's not been recognized this year, and needs to be done even more so based on the numbers above, is the great job Rittman did this year! I know 5-5 doesn't mean a whole lot to most, but when you consider 1-2 wins a year over the past decade, it's a major step forward. In addition they had to overcome the nonsense that the Dennis era brought. Congrats to the staff and players! Keep building for the future!
    I agree. I would even say the same should be said for Chippewa! Despite their last couple years, their last decade has been pretty bleak. Instead, however, they're playing in Week 12 as one of just 16 teams left in the division doing so. The program seems to be out of its funk as demonstrated by the recent years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alum01 View Post
    Why did you delete your post? Don't worry i got a pic of it. It was one of the most assnine posts you have posted yet. Alwats bashing your kids. X's & O's man, and yes we have a very good coach over here who showed this program how to win and buy in. Work on that Hero.

    You took a pic of it....OH NO...what will I ever do?...come on junior, you need more that that...this isn't junior high. In the post I talked about how the surrounding groups have not won at any level, at any time. In fact dude, this year is probably the first year that the underclassmen have EVER had a winning record in football...again not knocking them at all just stating a FACT. I bet if you ask those kids they would tell you that this year was the most fun they ever had playing football. Hmmmmm...but yet we have a coach who can't relate and doesn't care about their opinions. Interesting.....TOO EASY!

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    I've been reading up and talking to friends that live in the Waynedale district, will the coach stay as the head man? I've been told that from a talent standpoint, the Bears won't have the amount of horses needed to be successful for a long time if trends stay the same. Very low youth numbers. A couple kids in the junior and sophomore classes. Hardly any wins by the freshman and incoming freshman class. Doesn't sound like much fun to be a Bear in the next few years.
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    Wow. Close to 36 hours of silence in here.

    Curious if any of our Norwayne faithful are still on here regularly. I assume most went to see the game last week, given that it was "home." What can Chippewa expect from Rossford? What did they do on offense? Given the number of points Norwayne scored, it certainly seems like their defense can be scored on, but that was the second-most points scored against them (behind Waynedale's 41), so it seems like they have something working for them on offense. Curious what it is.

    Also, what's the line play like? Big and tough up front? Small and fast? Physical? Do they rely heavily on the line for their offense and/or defense?
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    Have not heard much about the Rossford team either, but i know a little bit about Cuyahoga Heights team! they are big and physical up front they have 2 linemen that are 300 lbs, the Redskins love to run the ball! Very sound fundamental football but the can air it out too. They run a very similar defense to Hillsdale a 4-3 that at times turns into a 5-2. I watched them play on STO a couple weeks back and they gave Kirtland all they could handle! Cuyahoga heights scored late in the game and went for the two point conversion and failed. Kirtland won 28-26. The Redskins run an option offense and very good at it. That is my limited knowledge!! lol The Smithies will have their hands full on Saturday night!
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    It does seem the cupboard may be a little bare in Apple Creek...which makes this season even more disappointing. In my opinion this team underachieved big time, at thats on the man in charge. Reminder...the Bears had enough talent to put the running clock on two teams that are still playing, and enough talent to put up 38 points and nearly 450 yds. of offense on the league champs in one half. That kind of talent should never lose by 3 scores to a team like Northwestern. (nothing against the Huskies, they are a good young team) But the Bears should of handled them easily. I just believe a lot of other high school coaches could have managed to do better than 7-4 if handed that team. Again...just my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by O-Trap View Post
    Wow. Close to 36 hours of silence in here.

    Curious if any of our Norwayne faithful are still on here regularly. I assume most went to see the game last week, given that it was "home." What can Chippewa expect from Rossford? What did they do on offense? Given the number of points Norwayne scored, it certainly seems like their defense can be scored on, but that was the second-most points scored against them (behind Waynedale's 41), so it seems like they have something working for them on offense. Curious what it is.

    Also, what's the line play like? Big and tough up front? Small and fast? Physical? Do they rely heavily on the line for their offense and/or defense?
    Toledo Sports Network 91815 Rossford at Lake - YouTube ... This is the Lake v Rossford Game ... from about week 5 ... It appears to me that if the Chipps can control the line (duh) and contain both #20 the RB & Backup QB and #6 the QB they can definitely beat this team ... The win Rossford had against the Cats was their FIRST WIN in PLAYOFFS EVER ... The chatter in Toledo is all about Chipps QB ... It appears to me that Rossford is a big play offense but are not afraid to slug it out in the trenches after watching this game ... they lost it in the 2nd half against Lake with turnovers... And we know the Chipps like to defend the passing game ...

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    Thanks for the breakdown, UrADork. It seems intimidating to play a team that beat the one team in the WCAL without any league losses (especially because everyone else had at least two), but from the sound of it, they're not overpowering. Good luck to the Chipps tomorrow night!
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    Quote Originally Posted by O-Trap View Post
    Thanks for the breakdown, UrADork. It seems intimidating to play a team that beat the one team in the WCAL without any league losses (especially because everyone else had at least two), but from the sound of it, they're not overpowering. Good luck to the Chipps tomorrow night!
    Actually, in this game I think you can throw that out the window because even though Rossford beat Norwayne, the league WCAL champs, Chippewa did the same thing in beating the undefeated Lake team the Northern Buckeye champs. The #2 teams in each league now face off....should be a good game!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWizard View Post
    Actually, in this game I think you can throw that out the window because even though Rossford beat Norwayne, the league WCAL champs, Chippewa did the same thing in beating the undefeated Lake team the Northern Buckeye champs. The #2 teams in each league now face off....should be a good game!
    Ah, I didn't know the connection, but yeah. That should make for a heck of a game!
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    Quote Originally Posted by O-Trap View Post
    Thanks for the breakdown, UrADork. It seems intimidating to play a team that beat the one team in the WCAL without any league losses (especially because everyone else had at least two), but from the sound of it, they're not overpowering. Good luck to the Chipps tomorrow night!
    The way to beat Chippewa is a big power running game. Look at their losses, and the damage the Lake back did last week. In watching the YouTube clip, it appears Rossford is on the smaller side, and likes to get 20 in space. This should benefit the Chipp defense. Rossford likes to throw the ball from a spread look which again is to the benefit of Chippewa. When it's all said and done; it comes down to which Chipp team shows up, and they play for 4 quarters. Not saying they will beat Rossford, but you have to think not having to face a big line and Miller again should benefit them mentally. The WCAL was all about matchups this year. Norwayne was a bad matchup for Chippewa. However, I think Rossford is more to their liking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iced earth View Post
    It does seem the cupboard may be a little bare in Apple Creek...which makes this season even more disappointing. In my opinion this team underachieved big time, at thats on the man in charge. Reminder...the Bears had enough talent to put the running clock on two teams that are still playing, and enough talent to put up 38 points and nearly 450 yds. of offense on the league champs in one half. That kind of talent should never lose by 3 scores to a team like Northwestern. (nothing against the Huskies, they are a good young team) But the Bears should of handled them easily. I just believe a lot of other high school coaches could have managed to do better than 7-4 if handed that team. Again...just my opinion.


    Love responding with "old reliable"...at least YOU understand that it is an opinion, an opinion on a high school football forum with the subject being small school high school football in Ohio...I hope some of you can really come to grips with that...oops, sorry...one of you has multiple state champ rings, 2 college letters (for who knows what, at who knows where), and 12 (I repeat 12) years of coaching experience (at who knows what level, in who knows what sport). I am just honored to be able to be in the same room with some of you..

    (I sure hope someone doesn't snap "a pic of my post"......what a joke)
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    Where do the Bears play this week? At least Louie will accomplish something the Boys of Fall couldn't!
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    Quote Originally Posted by wcalfan View Post


    Love responding with "old reliable"...at least YOU understand that it is an opinion, an opinion on a high school football forum with the subject being small school high school football in Ohio...I hope some of you can really come to grips with that...oops, sorry...one of you has multiple state champ rings, 2 college letters (for who knows what, at who knows where), and 12 (I repeat 12) years of coaching experience (at who knows what level, in who knows what sport). I am just honored to be able to be in the same room with some of you..

    (I sure hope someone doesn't snap "a pic of my post"......what a joke)
    Let's go Chipps, get off the bus locked in and bring it home tonight.
    As for the "village idiot keep disrespecting our fans, players and coaches, it only fuels the fire when we play you(meant own you) in every sport.
    Keep reaching for mediocrity an getting on here beating your chest when you are beating the bottom feeders. You are a local HERO, Pops. TOO EASY!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alum01 View Post
    Let's go Chipps, get off the bus locked in and bring it home tonight.
    As for the "village idiot keep disrespecting our fans, players and coaches, it only fuels the fire when we play you(meant own you) in every sport.
    Keep reaching for mediocrity an getting on here beating your chest when you are beating the bottom feeders. You are a local HERO, Pops. TOO EASY!!!!
    Let's hope the Lady Chipp soccer team brings home a State Title today as well! Sustained success! X's and O's baby! Too bad it's lacking in the Creek! Too Easy!

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    Good luck to Smithville and Ooh-Ahh Chippewa!


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